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Agree or disagree: Ecover loses vegan society mark over testing on fleas

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ecover-washing-up-liquid.gifAs a committed veggie and animal lover, you might expect me to back the Vegan Society's decision to drop Ecover from its list of certified products after it emerged that the company tests its some of it products on water fleas. But actually it's made me 'hopping' mad...

What concerns me is that in removing its endorsement, the vegan society is failing to recognise that anyone wanting to avoid genuinely animal-tested products will now be in less of a position to distinguish between products tested on minute insects and those whose production really does involve cruel and unnecessary testing on highly sentient mammals. I think this is downright irresponsible.

Would the same society shun a toothpaste that kills off the harmful bacteria in our mouths, or for that matter, disapprove of removing fleas and ticks from our pets? I somehow doubt it. In my opinion, this is the sort of rigid and counterproductive logic that makes if far more difficult than it should be for people to make positive changes, and frankly, gives the green movement a bad name.

  • jacq

    I really don't think it's just about fleas! WWF withdrew Ecover from their on-line shop a few years ago because of animal testing policies and the BUAV informed me that "Ecover must sometimes accept animal-tested ingredients from large companies over whom they have no control in order to follow its vision." Ecover operate a five year rolling rule which is not just confined to fleas...

  • Jason Wilkinson

    At the end of the day, these companies, whether it be Ecover, Unilever or any other household name, are all out to make as much money as they can. Ecover use their "Environmentally Friendly" sales pitch to lure the shopper to buy their products as it makes the consumer feel good about buying something that helps protect the environment. It doesn't surprise me to hear that they are/have been testing their products on insects/animals/living things.

  • Caryne

    Both the original post, and several others, have ignoredf some basic facts. Whatever you think about daphnia , Ecover have broken the 'vegan' ethci in other ways too, they have tested their products on rabbits blood and they use the 'five year rolling rule' (so, eventually, they can use contents tested on animals). No ethical vegan should find this acceptable.

    I would love to know how long this, so called, ethical compnay lied to the Vegan Society, and everyone else, as they would have never got a vegan approved logo if they had told the truth in the first place.

  • Sim

    What I'm concerned about is how long Ecover have been doing this, and how it is that the Vegan Society were not aware of it in the first place.

    If this is a recent development in Ecover's practices i.e. testing on *whatever* animal species, the least it could have done (to protect its integrity) is notify the Vegan Society in advance of such intentions.

    If this is something Ecover have been doing for some, which seems likely, then it's clear that Ecover neglected to inform the Vegan Society of such practice. If Ecover wishes to secure 'vegan' endorsements from official Vegan bodies, then I believe it is Ecover's responsibility to ensure they fully understand the requirements. If this is the case, then I also have to ask if there is anything within the Vegan Society's own practices that could have contributed to this situation arising in the first place.

    My faith in Ecover, which wishes to present itself as environmentally friendly and also seeks to promote ethical credentials in regards to animal testing/welfare, is all but destroyed. Whether or not Ecover properly veganises its products in future, I will still have serious doubts.

    By failing to be upfront about their testing makes me feel that Ecover is driven more by profit concerns than we are led to believe. Yet, promoting on the basis of ethics requires honesty and integrity.

    I have until now taken it on blind faith that any product displaying the Vegan Society logo meets my needs as a vegan. However, though while I am sure the Vegan Society would not knowingly allow something like this to occur, this incident has also dented my faith in the logo.

    Though, credit to the Vegan Society is due for withdrawing the logo from Ecover. However, given the time that has passed since this issue was first identified, it still begs the question as to why Ecover products are still listed under the Vegan Society's trademark listings.

  • Tim Miller

    Stimpy: "This comes as no surprise. I know a vegan crusty who was lifting with nits and other creepy crawlies but refused to treat them or brush his teeth as it would hurt the tiny creatures that lived on him - creatures that had no reservation about hurting him, with his sores and wounds and stinking dental decay."

    You're using a VERY flawed stereotypical image to describe the entire group now opposed to Ecover because they test on animals.

    The Vegan Society exist to make Vegans aware of what products are suitable for them or not. I'm pretty sure most vegans wouldn't agree with needlessly killing fleas (yes, needless. there are other ways to test products.)

    Also, most of the people here critising the VC's moves seem to overlook the rolling ban and testing on rabbits that Ecover have commited.

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